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daavikes
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PostPosted: 2003.09.14(Sun)13:00    Post subject: please help identify this picture Reply with quote

This picture is taken from The Complete Aquarium by Peter W. Scott

I've taken two pictures in different light to get the best look at it. I believe it's a Blue Ram, but all other pictures I've seen on the internet and in the LFS (BTW saw for the first time yesterday! beautiful!) look different. There are no identifications in the book for the cover page.

One more question, is there a difference between Blue Rams and German Blue Rams? I thought they were the same thing, but reading lately I'm getting differing opinions.



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Kagh't
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PostPosted: 2003.09.14(Sun)13:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

in a nutshell (from my experience, so I may not be entirely right)

german rams - grow slightly bigger than a normal ram
dutch rams - grow slightly smaller
blue rams - self explanitory, have lots of blue colouration, especially around the gill covers
purple rams - same as above, except with purple
jumbo rams - uberbig, I've seen 6" specimins of these, not that common

um, I've probably missed a few out, and don't take that as a law, but thats my experience on them, and I'd welcome insight from others.
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PostPosted: 2003.09.14(Sun)14:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

so Kagh't, do you have a guess as to what the species the picture is?
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nonamethefish
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PostPosted: 2003.09.14(Sun)15:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the above varieties(along with a couple others, like gold rams) are all descendants of one species and share one sci name.

So simply put, this is a ram....just select one that you like.


You may also be able to find F1, f2, etc. or wildcaught specimens, though they may be more touchy about water. Be careful when you are selctign though, as lots of rams(particularly gold) are inbred and can therefore be very delicater and/or deformed.
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2la
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PostPosted: 2003.09.14(Sun)15:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

A sidenote: That ram's fins aren't really green. It's either an artifact from a camera effect or the fish was photographed against a background of green plants and was then extracted from the background.
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daavikes
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PostPosted: 2003.09.14(Sun)15:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, thanks noname. the reason I ask is that the fish store I found the rams at, all of them are very young, they probably are 1 inch in diameter and don't have any color yet, they do have the black vertical lines though. Just wondering what colors they will show when mature.
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PostPosted: 2003.09.14(Sun)20:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

daavikes,
The picture on the book looks more like an illustration than a photo, is it?

This is a typical captive bred Blue Ram, as said before other varieties are available. To be honest photos don't do them justice they glow like neon tetras in the light! Very Happy

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2la
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PostPosted: 2003.09.14(Sun)20:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Type-R, that is an actual photo (see here). The reason it looks different is because it's a picture of a beautiful wild ram, which is a more streamlined fish than its domesticated counterpart. Again, the fins aren't actually green--it just appears so because the fish was photographed against a heavily planted backdrop.
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daavikes
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PostPosted: 2003.09.14(Sun)22:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

well thanks for the info

I did see two adult blue's at the fish store but they were in a quarantine tank or a breeding tank. They looked just like that picture Type R. It was the first time I had seen them and I was more impressed in person. I can't wait to get my 55 set up!

Mods thanks for moving this over to the cichlid forum, my bad. Smile
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PostPosted: 2003.09.15(Mon)6:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't say I have ever seen a wild caught Ram across here Sad
I suppose there must be some places that get them - maybe Wharf Aquatics, I think they get quite a few rare species, wild caught Discus etc
Will have to pay them a visit with my credit card soon! Twisted Evil
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