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Are cichlids harder to keep than other fish?
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stephenhodgson
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PostPosted: 2005.04.23(Sat)2:22    Post subject: Are cichlids harder to keep than other fish? Reply with quote

what overrall are cichlids (american) much harder to look after than livebearers and other begginer fish what exacatully do you need for american cichlids so they servive in my tank ??? because I don't wnat them dieing the very next day like my ram did but I was only a beginnier then lol Sad

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PostPosted: 2005.04.23(Sat)6:29    Post subject: Re: overall??? Reply with quote

In general all cichlids are harder to keep than community fish.

As far as South Americans go, especially with Dwarf Cichlids like rams, the biggest requirement for keeping them healthy is very clean water. Your nitrates should be less than 20 ppm (and you should have no ammonia or nitrite) for rams. Some other SA dwarves require even less, sometimes non-existant levels of nitrogenous waste.

In terms of food, they can be picky but that varies from species to species. Some cichlids won't eat flake, only live and frozen foods. (Livebearers and most community fish will eat just about anything)

Then, there are the obvious issues of compatability with other fish and territorial behaviour amongst themselves. (these aren't issues of such great importance with livebearers, who are typically 'schooling' fish)

Still, sorry to hear about your Ram. Oddly enough, though Rams are considered to be some of the hardier dwarf cichlids, they are still prone to problems. Without seeing your water parameters, it is hard to guess what happened. It is worth noting though, that some Rams are really poorly bred and are subjected to hormone treatments to unnaturally increase coloring and size (this is done by large commercial fish farms). If you are in the states and can order online, you might want to check out some of the smaller independent breeders like David Soares to avoid bad stock. (On a side note, I would also avoid wild caught specimens, as they are equally as issue prone, but on the other end of the spectrum)

If you want more specifics on Rams, google around on them, as well as googling by their sceintific name Mikrogeophagus Ramerizi for Blue Rams or Mikrogeophagus Altispinosa for Bolivian Rams.
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PostPosted: 2005.04.25(Mon)16:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually a lot of the American cichlids are quite hardy. It's when you get into the rarer cichlids, and such cichlids as the angels, uarus, discus, dwarf cichlids, and rarer cichlids that you sometimes get into some trouble. They are the ones that tend to be picky about their food, tankmates, tank size, water temperature and qaulity, etc. it's often advised to get skilled with other fish and cichlids before trying these.
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PostPosted: 2005.04.25(Mon)17:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I'd argue that even the hardiest, most bulletproof cichlids are harder to keep than the average community fish because they have other needs that need to be met: territory space, caves, shells, whatever.
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PostPosted: 2005.04.26(Tue)14:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

now this might sound stupid ? but how do you make a cave and what material I thought if I mad it out of pebles they would all fall down ? Confused
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PostPosted: 2005.04.26(Tue)14:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends. For many south american species people use bogwood or driftwood, terracotta pots, half coconut shells, even PVC piping.
For rift lake fish more typically people use rock - if you look through the tank gallery at Cichlid-forum.com, particularly the mbuna tanks, or look at the past tanks of the month here, you'll see how there are numerous ways to pile rock so as to create as many caves and crevices as possible.
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