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blake
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Location: lyman lake State Park, Arizona, USA

PostPosted: 2005.04.14(Thu)22:34    Post subject: My 20 gallon Reply with quote

I have been keeping fish for 4 years succesfully and was thinking about stting up a 20 gallon tank I have an aquaclear 20-40 gallon filter

I have two light bars available for my tank and was thinking about putting 20 pounds of live gravel and a giant stack of live rock

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1 true percula clown fish
and 4 blue damselfish
and some cleaner shrimp I was wondering if this would be a good setup

thanks blake
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KDodds
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Joined: 05 Apr 2005
Location: Suffern, NY

PostPosted: 2005.04.15(Fri)6:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

The setup you propose would be okay for the clown, and maybe a small goby or blenny or two, but the 4 damsels are going to tear each other, and the clown, up eventually, especially in such a small tank. Oh, and stay away from "gravel" in SW tanks unless you relish the thought of cleaning it constantly. Better to use Live Sand.
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TheVillageIdiot
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PostPosted: 2005.04.15(Fri)7:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe he means blue chromis?

hey, my message was almost too short!
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PostPosted: 2005.04.15(Fri)18:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chromis need a good deal of room to move about. I wouldn't recommend them in anything less than a 55, or any less than 6 individuals.
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blake
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Location: lyman lake State Park, Arizona, USA

PostPosted: 2005.04.15(Fri)21:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

would I be able to have two perculla clowns

oh and how about some spotted cardinal fish 2-4 maybe
so 2 clowns
and 2-4 spotted cardinal fish

oh ya I meant live sand not gravel
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The Old Salt
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Location: Alabama

PostPosted: 2005.04.16(Sat)11:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh...no.
You could keep two clowns, but that's about it. You can't put that many fish of that size in a saltwater tank of that size. Saltwater does not support as much fish as freshwater does. Also, while the live sand and live rock contribute to your filtration, they also consume a lot of oxygen.

Saltwater does not hold as much oxygen as freshwater does. To make things worse, the fish we keep come from reef areas where the oxygen saturation level of the water is the very highest. That means they need all they can get. the old inch-per-gallon rule, which is bogus anyway, is more like 5 gallons per inch in saltwater, and that's only for fish which are not tall or thick. Two 2-inch clownfish already need 20 gallons just by themselves, and not just for oxygen, but for biofiltration capacity. That's very important, for at the higher pH level found in marine tanks, the ammonia is much more toxic.
They also need to have some space for their territory, which clownfish defend. In fact, you'll find that every species of fish has it's own behavior, and those behaviors lead to different requirements.

Oh, by the way, unless your lights are the correct type, your live rock will quickly become dead, rotting rock.

Making the move from freshwater to saltwater is like going from softball to baseball. They are basically the same, but there are some small, yet very critical differences. May I suggest that you get some books on saltwater aquariums and study the subject thoroughly before starting your tank? You''ll save yourself a lot of hassle, heartbreak, and money.
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blake
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PostPosted: 2005.04.16(Sat)21:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for all your replys
but I won't be able to get a salt water due to money shortage and I probaly won't get any soon

so if I do end up with a salt water ill jsut get two clowns thanks anywayz
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