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angry monkey
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PostPosted: 2007.01.06(Sat)15:15    Post subject: how nessisary is gravel vacuum? Reply with quote

aloha from sunny wisconsin!
I've got a healthy 29 gallon tank thats about 3.5 years old.
when I started it it was sparsly decorated with plastic plants
and other tacky decorations and when I did my water changes, I used the gravel vacuum style hose to pull the poop etc from the gravel.
I still do, but now I have live plants and lots of roots and bog wood and slate caves and
to get to most of the gravel I have do tear too much work appart and I think this stresses the fish too.
plus I'm sorta lazy and looking for the easy way out.
so I'm wondering if I can get away with retiring the gravel vacuum or just easing up on it. of course I will continue to do water changes regularly.
what tests should I be looking to change if I chill on this?
ammonia? nitrates? stinkfunk?
I've got a blue ram that is too pretty to play the cannary in the proverbial coal mine on this, so any advise is appreciated.
oh, one more thing, if this tank had java moss carpeting the floor (which it does not) how do you clean that? call the poo fertilizer and leave it alone?
thanks yalls.
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PostPosted: 2007.01.06(Sat)15:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe just vaccum as much gravel that is exposed instead of uprooting everything.

you should get some mystery or apple snails to clean up the messes in the plants (I have one snail that eats its own poop-I saw it!)
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PostPosted: 2007.01.06(Sat)15:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

vacuum as much as you can and get some malaysian trumpet snails, which will keep the gravel that you don't vacuum stirred and aerated, which prevents anaerobic areas from forming.
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PostPosted: 2007.01.06(Sat)16:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for your help.
stired and aerated gravel sounds like good science to me.
but a snail that eats its own poop, now thats truly fantastic.
I can do snails, snails are easy.
but does anyone know what chemestry tests if any will change.

"I'll take two poo eating snails please."
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PostPosted: 2007.01.06(Sat)16:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha!
my poop eating snail was an ivory mystery snail [also an apple snail maybe??]
I got it at my local petsmart.
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PostPosted: 2007.01.06(Sat)16:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well invest in a test kit and find out what your Ammonia Nitrite and Nitrate levels are, if Ammonia and Nitrite are 0ppm and nitrate is under 40 then your doing good. As far as not wanting to move everything I recommend that you glue the slate caves together in sections so that way you can just lift them up and clean under then and place them back down. You could also try the snails but ultimately you have to clean the gravel, its just a fact of aquariums.
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PostPosted: 2007.01.06(Sat)16:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

glueing the caves is a great idea, that would make about half the job easier.
I have nitrates, the other kits ill have to get.
funny how the hobby isnt rewarding enough unless you are chalenging your tank and complicating things.
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PostPosted: 2007.01.06(Sat)17:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would use silicone to glue the pieces together, make sure its aquarium safe. I know that the GE Silicone I window and door variety is safe to use, or you can go with an epoxy but not sure whats safe.
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