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wittd
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Location: Lexington, KY

PostPosted: 2006.11.30(Thu)20:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

AOW (and all others reading along),

The advisors are right (as they almost always are when this many chime in on a topic). I would love to have a mandarin as much as anyone, but unless an alternative opportunity presents itself, (such as a friend that can't take care of one gives it to me, or you reveal your mysterious source for captive bred mandarins to those of us who would love to know) I will refrain from adding to the eradication of such a magnificent species. I knew my reasons for considering purchasing one was nothing more than me trying to justify something to myself that I already knew to be wrong.

AOW, best of luck to you and I hope yours thrives. I would love to hear good news on your mandarin.

Advisors, thank you for doing your best to educate those of us who are willing to listen to sound advice and judgement. I, for one, really appreciate the advice and time you give to help others.

Everyone else, think twice before purchasing any species that you have a low chance of success with and take the advice given on this forum seriously. The regulars do this on their own time [without monetary compensation] for no reason other than helping the rest of us enjoy such a magnificent hobby. We have the responsibility a "fish keepers" to give the best possible care to any animal we choose to keep in our homes.
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art_of_war
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Joined: 17 Nov 2006

PostPosted: 2006.11.30(Thu)21:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

well FB,

I can see how passionate you feel towards this species but I think I'm the least of your worries. You should try your bit of lobbying in Washington or Maritime Commissions (If there's such a thing) or the United Nations or where ever you feel your voice can be heard best. If extracting these species are so excruciating to the coral reef eccosystems, how is it that it is not enforced; like whale hunting? Their population must be quite abundant if there is no trouble in acquiring them. It isn't illegal to own them...like Cuban Cigars.

cereal,

It is just a fish; and I didn't have to donate a kidney for it either. I read; I study; I do my research and I can impart logical reasoning to every decision I make...including the purchase of this "fish".

dale,

Close the thread anytime you feel that my purchase or possession of this creature bothers you. Next week...I think I'll go out and buy a moorish idol and a conspiculatus angel and put them both in my nanotank and feed'em flakes. hahahaha. I'm just kidding. I don't even know what a nanotank is. I'm kidding again of course.

Alright...I'm sure you guys have put up with enough in this thread. Anyways, I've researched the care of this creature and I can assure all of you that you can all sleep well at night. Although I know it's not possible but nevertheless, I have a mandarin"fish" who will be just fine.
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sirreal63
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Joined: 21 Feb 2004
Location: Meadowlakes, TX

PostPosted: 2006.11.30(Thu)21:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

While a certain part of me enjoys a good discussion, this has gone beyond discussion. I do wonder if your wife knows of your responses here and of the extremely high mortality rate of the fish she talked you into buying. There is no right wrong with you, you will simply do as you please and continue to be part of the problem and not the solution. I am done with this discussion and I hope you move on to other forums that are less involved with trying to help people make proper decisions.
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FloridaBoy
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PostPosted: 2006.11.30(Thu)23:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

art_of_war wrote:
well FB,
I can see how passionate you feel towards this species but I think I'm the least of your worries. You should try your bit of lobbying in Washington or Maritime Commissions (If there's such a thing) or the United Nations or where ever you feel your voice can be heard best. If extracting these species are so excruciating to the coral reef eccosystems, how is it that it is not enforced; like whale hunting? Their population must be quite abundant if there is no trouble in acquiring them. It isn't illegal to own them...like Cuban Cigars.


Your reference to whale hunting is actually leaning well to my point.
Ask yourself, why is it that whales are protected? They certainly didn't start out that way did they...? The continued trade in delicate, often doomed marine species stems from overseas collectors/wholesalers, lack of education, lack of conservation, irresponsible retailers, and of course paying hobbyists... for many years Florida has strictly controlled the collection of ornamental fish trade and as a collector I was always required to carry a permit. It's called conservation, and it's driven by common sense.

Unfortunately the global community has not caught up. One thing I have learned; if given the opportunity, man will exploit every last wild creature in the sea and land, if he can make a dollar at it. This is not always a bad thing if the practice is sustainable and does not result in outrageous waste of living creatures, as I have already stated. However, if we are seeing an extremely high mortality rate in the ornamental fish industry with certain delicate species then it is we the hobbyists who need to react and educate others, after all we are the end users.

From what I have seen, advisors like Jack and Dale are dedicated to the best care for captive marinelife and they do such a great job. They deserve a high level of respect from anyone who posts here. Many other hobbyists like Susan who frequent this forum are also extremely helpful. You may be surprised that I am not a member of any environmental group, nor am I a member of any wildlife or animal rights group. I am a fisherman, an outdoorsman, diver, photographer and lover of wildlife including all marine life. I happen to think that marine aquariums are wonderful as they give us a glimpse of what we need to protect and they foster a love for the underwater world.

However, you may be surprised to learn what some extremist groups would like to see happen to the entire wild pet trade, and mark my word; it could happen faster than you think. If we choose to ignore it and continue to purchase delicate marine species from retailers then we encourage them to sell more and eventually the restrictions will come. In my opinion, this is often too late. If you doubt this, do some research on the state of wild Bangaii Cardinals, or look at the current state of fish stocks in the Sea of Cortez or the increased restrictions on wild cage birds over the years. In short; open your eyes.

Here are a few related links for the education of anyone reading this thread, which will illustrate various views about the hobby and industry as a whole:

http://www.reefcheck.org/datamanagement/factsheet.asp?surveyID=3&issuecode=iOT&display=Actions

http://www.pacfish.org/wpapers/aquarium.html

http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/endangered_species/news/index.asp?article=reeffishguide

http://www.reefprotect.org/fish_guide.htm

http://www.worldwildlife.org/trade/cites/mostwanted2.cfm

http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/issues_facing_wildlife/wildlife_trade/

http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=332&ArticleID=4269&l=en
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